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    Hillary Clinton says rich not paying their fair share

    In a discussion about Obama's national security plan at the Brookings Institution, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said yesterday that the rich are not paying enough taxes in the United States

    "The rich are not paying their fair share in any nation that is facing the kind of employment issues [the U.S. is], whether it is individual, corporate, whatever the taxation forms are," she said, according to David Sanger at the New York Times. (Clinton issued the caveat that she was not speaking for the Obama administration.) You can watch her remarks here.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/201005...s/ynews_pl2311

    Ok remember this is Hillary talking.
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    This will certainly send my friend Joe into orbit--but in principle I agree.

    While our problems are as much (or more so) on our out of control spending which can't continue to be ignored--I do agree that the rate of taxation of higher income people should be increased.

    However, I don't support higher business taxes, they are paid by the consumer in any event. However, the loop holes that allow companies to avoid equal taxation need to be plugged.

    The argument that by taxing the "rich" is counter productive since it reduces their consumption is bogus--there comes a point where consumption peaks on it's own.

    The "rich" don't pay more taxes because they make more noise--and they have friends in high places.

    If someone wants to do a realistic analysis of taxation, then evaluate the economic impact
    of taxes (in total) on a family of 4 making $75,000---and one making $500,000.

    Is there anyone here who would rather be the family making $75,000?

    To take that to the next step, why should they not share equal economic impact? Equal opportunity in all aspects isn't a bad idea.

    We also share equally (at least in theory) to what this nation provides, why should we not share equally in the "felt impact" of maintaining that?
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    From Clinton's same speech
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    "She offered up Brazil as a counter-example. "Brazil has the highest tax-to-GDP rate in the Western Hemisphere. And guess what? It's growing like crazy. The rich are getting richer, but they are pulling people out of poverty. There is a certain formula there that used to work for us until we abandoned it — to our regret, in my opinion. "
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    I just a bit confused by the "rich are getting richer, but they are pulling people out of poverty".
    Just what IS the Brazilian tax-rate profile? How many Brazilian citizens pay no taxes and still get money back from their government when they don't? How many Brazilian non-citizens are there that pay no taxes and receive wealfare? What is Brazil's government spending as a percentage of their GDP?

    Let's see------Clinton is ---- and has been for some time----a member of our Federal Gov't. which NEVER can get enough money to spend. Our Fed. Gov't has been SPENDING ITSELF INTO OBLIVIAN and will soon be in a place where the spending out is more than the taking in. How come Brazilian SPENDING is not in this same speech? How much do they spend on "entitlements"? What is their National Debt?
    Taxing to little is NOT the problem. The problem is TOO MUCH SPENDING! And apparently Federal Gov't employees don't want to hear this----or to ADMIT it.

    Are we in a race to beat ourselves DOWN to the level more compatible to 2nd or 3rd world countries? It surely seems so these last few years.
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    Those are all good questions Sam---why don't you find the answers and share them with the rest of us--rather than assuming what they might be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    Those are all good questions Sam---why don't you find the answers and share them with the rest of us--rather than assuming what they might be.
    Just playing Hillary's game----she didn't offer any numbers either----did she.
    Did you take her seriously or just assume she was right?
    Sam

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    Fort those who don't think the "rich" pay enough, what percentage do you think the govt should take from them?

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