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alright sooo I'm looking at all the sources here and elsewhere and while I get what Waco and Dave both said about the Hammonds being screwed over... the 1st blog posted in the OT starts off suspect, claiming the 100+ ppl holding the bldg. If this source knows so much about the details where did they get that number. I finally found pictures of this bldg,, and witnesses there saying it 12-15 men...
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How would it be considered eco terrorism? They called and told authorities that they were going to have a controlled burn and were given the ok. It got out of hand and they put it out without any help from the FD. The small fire was actually a backfire that was started because a lightning storm had started a fire and the ranchers home and crops were in jeopardy. How can either of these be considered anything deserving jail time, let alone terrorism???
The fires happened I believe a decade before charges were ever filed and the ranchers went to jail and served the original sentence they were given. Now some fed with a chip, wants to drag them back again??? How would you like it if the feds wanted your business and property and was doing everything in its power to drive you off of it. They are also now having to pay a 400,000 dollar fine because of the trumped up BS the feds are pulling. This is just plain wrong and the corrupt a$$es in the govt should themselves be sent to prison.
Very interesting (need to check the stats) BLM vs Private grazing rates
http://tinyurl.com/jvxcswb
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On a lighter note, if they are going to throw an old man and his son in jail for burning around 100 acres of land, what kind of sentence is the EPA going to get for the river eco-system they contaminated when they let the mine dike go in Colorado that turned the river yellow for a week? If fair is fair those boys will have to have sunlight pumped to them.
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they already paid that fineOriginally Posted by TxMusky
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1st time he's sounded reasonable to me
"Every one of us has a constitutional right to protest, to speak our minds. But we don't have a constitutional right to use force and violence and to threaten force and violence on others," Cruz told reporters in Iowa. "And so it is our hope that the protesters there will stand down peaceably -- that there will not be a violent confrontation."
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The same Federal Justice Department which is insisting on jailing two ranchers five years for burning grass in a wilderness conspired to "jail" billionaire, Jeffrey Epstein, a rapist of dozens of minors, to 13 months "time" by sleeping in a remote private part of the prison for 8 hours, then released each day to serve 16 hours in his Palm Beach mansion. The disparate light sentence might have something to do with the fact his co-conspirators in the rapes at his "orgy island" were Bill Clinton and a beavy of other heavy weight elites up to and including a prince of the British realm, while, in contrast, the ranchers had property the government wants to glom.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...verturned.html
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We set a dangerous precedent in NV by not pursuing any action against the elder Mr. Bundy and his band of thugs for the same stunt there----and yes I used that term with forethought.
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Too many stories going around as to who did what and when to figure this out.
Ranchers as I been following are now serving the rest of the original 5 year sentence as determined by the 9 court so it appears they "lost" a retrial for the lighter sentence.
As for armed goons showing up and protesting, I'm sure all of you would have the same opinion if armed Mussies showed up at the Statute of Liberty and held it hostage for so supposed BS claim of discrimination.
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Local sheriff wants the protestors out, will be interesting where this goes since now. They (protestors) are holding a news conference @ 11 am today.
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They lost an appeal before the notorious 9th Circuit - not a retrial. Incidentally, from what news accounts say, the father & son were convicted of violating a domestic terrorism statute and not trying to cover up a game violation. Still don't know how a jury reached that conclusion. Thinking as a lawyer (a condition with which I am afflicted no matter how hard I try to deminish), I would like to know more about the law which they were charged with violating and the court's charge to the jury in the criminal case. I would think that such a violation would necessarily have to include an element of knowledge ("scienter" is the legal term) that the act committed (setting the fire) was intended to damage federal property and cause some element of fear with aforethought. From the accounts posted, there is no indication that was ever an intent of the defendants, merely a mistaken result of otherwise legitimate processes.
As stated in the blog post, the act of the prosecutor and BLM insisting and appealing the sentence is an ultimate indicator of the black heart of the government flunkies hoping to injure and force sale to the government from citizens holding property the government covets. If they are in jail not working the land, they have better chances to get what they want. Why else would they insist on prosecuting a bogus charge and insisting on ridiculously long sentences after making their point?
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Fred, I haven't seen anyone on this thread approving of the "protestor's" tactics. There are two distinct issue in this thread: what the original "crime" and prosection were about, and what the armed protestors are doing.
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That land actually comes more productive by burning too. That was the point not some poaching cover-up etc. Out here these tumble weeds, knap weed etc stack up on the fence lines for miles if its not burned off yearly. It would also help if the BLM and the D&R SPRAY their land for these invasive weeds. This is what the lease $$ is for and one of the ranchers main points.
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I think the discussion has to maintain a separation of issues as Joe has done above---the probable abuse of the Hammonds by the overreaching Feds and the occupying of the BLM land by a bunch of thugs are two separate and distinct issues.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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especially since the Hammonds DO NOT want to be associated with the militia in anyway
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and speaking of the Bundys,,, were you all aware of this aspect? I guess I missed it during the previous incident
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns...-of-mormonism/
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