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The thing they are making is a monster intrusive surveillance state intent on controlling thought and actions every moment of its citizens life —
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoff.../#122b09044061
That complicit company has big plans to seed its products throughout the U.S. and the West.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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The reality in the US is that to a degree we have already established a network that could be corrupted to preform covert and illegal activity silently. Involving a company like Huawei only escalates the likely hood of illegal use.
There are very few places in NYC where you are not on a surveillance camera. The value to the police is unquestionable. I often see the videos of crimes on the early morning news--and then the next morning the arrest of the perpetrators. It seems as if the bad actors have enough neighborhood enemies that have no qualms about dropping a dime on them.
While that serves a positive service it is only a breath away from infringing on human rights.
BTW, while the city has extensive cameras deployed across the city there are even a larger cache of private cameras that supplement the police network.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Use of cameras in the U.S. to chronicle robberies, muggings & murders is a tad different from the Chi-Coms using them and roving through communications to put dissidents into concentration camps for “re-education.”
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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There is a camera pointing at us now, so smile. U get a kick going in Walmart and seeing more than a hundred pointing at us.
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I do understand that.Originally Posted by wacojoe
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Hmmm... this all sounds very familiar. For, the NSA opened up a "listening" center right on Salt Lake City's South side.
"Welcome to Utah, the NSA's desert home for eavesdropping on America." https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-data-facility
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I don't care if it hurts. I want to have control. I want a perfect body. I want a perfect soul. - Creep by Radiohead
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The Aussies are getting their feet wet in the game too......Ben
The future is forged on the anvil of history...The interpreter of history wields the hammer... - Unknown author...
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Using AI to predict crimes before they happen was something of a startup a year or so before I retired. I have no idea how far along it has come and I have not read anything in the link I'm posting to a google search with lots of hits. Be afraid!
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Also see Fusion Centers where much of this is employed.
Again, Be afraid!
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
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And now, DHS wants face scans of all Americans traveling by air. Anyone seeing a pattern of government intrusion? It is not just the Chinese.
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The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
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But----we wouldn't do anything nefarious with such data----would we
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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It’s a Brave New World.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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I'm sure anything they want to do with such data is legal under the "Patriot Act"
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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I just remembered. About a year before I retired the Navy NCIS came to us with an offer to trade information. They wanted access to our report database and offered reciprocity in exchange. What the hell does the Navy NCIS need access to our reports for???
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
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I can easily see why law enforcement organizations desire broad data bases. Criminals do not restrict their activity to a narrow range of jurisdictions. I would not consider the NCIS request overly intrusive.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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I believe that I was investigated by both the FBI and the Army equivalent of the CIA for my security clearance. I never had contact with any of them (at least to my knowledge), I came to that belief only by different people telling me they had been visited by one or the other.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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