"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
Modly resigns.
SOURCEActing Navy Secretary Thomas Modly has submitted his resignation a day after leaked audio revealed he called the ousted commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt "stupid" in an address to the ship's crew, according to a US official and a former senior military official.
The Navy and Department of Defense did not respond to a request for comment.
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
OPINION....a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Ben..
My experience is Naval Aviation.. Squadron reports to a Wing... like Roosevelt reported to Strike Group.. the major plan of movements and actions is by direction from the Strike Group. The Skipper of Roosevelt (and all commands /ships in the Strike Group )should have been speaking to the Admiral and/or his Chief of Staff several times a day.
The fact that the Strike Group Admiral was not included in the email was intentional.. something happened, there is an issue between the Captain and the Admiral. If the uniformed USN conducts a proper investigation, both the Captain and the Admiral and the Chief of Staff will be asked this.
Dave, yes, the email violated protocol on a number of levels and the Skipper was in error to have sent what he sent, how he sent it and to whom he sent it. (Was he sacrificing his career for the welfare of his crew.) And he should have known that he would be held accountable for the email.
Note.. Chief of Staff (Chief Staff Officer) is the person who runs the day to day operations (communication , administration) for the Group. My experience was 6-8 squadrons reporting to a Wing, Wing had a staff with maintenance, operations and administration just like the squadrons and all directives filtered through the Wing.. I’m sure a Strike Group is the same.
I frankly have not followed this story very closely and have basically reacted on an emotional level. But I can tell you based on what my son told me who was an officer in the Navy recently that breaking the chain of command is the quickest way to get busted there is. Now that he is a patrol commander in the police department the same applies there also.
OPINION....a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
I agree on all three points, Joe...It was the same in the USAF using the same terminology...My previous research into WWII showed that ship terminology varied somewhat from aviation-speak, in the same manner as the black shoe Navy differed from the brown shoe Navy...For instance destroyer squadrons (which still exist today) were under the command of a Task Force and were subdivided into divisions which were assigned to Task Groups, all of which were under the command of the Task Force...
Each squadron, division, wing, group or force has its own commander, each of which occupies a link in the chain of command...That chain is as strong as its weakest link...The real weak link was the acting SecNav who, in my opinion, had no place in the chain...In the end, we're all on the same team with the same goal line......Ben
The future is forged on the anvil of history...The interpreter of history wields the hammer... - Unknown author...
And the SecNav has resigned
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/polit...ump/index.html
"The only thing that we learn from torture is the depths of our own moral depravity"
You can read what he had to say HERERep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, a retired Navy SEAL, joined "The Daily Briefing" Tuesday to react to the ouster of USS Theodore Roosevelt commanding officer Capt. Brett Crozier, who sent a critical email to top brass about the need to offload his crew amid the coronavirus pandemic.
I just had a thought, surprising, I know!
What if Crozier was unknowingly influenced by his own infection? Maybe he wasn't thinking clearly because of it. Fever can make you do strange things.
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
The NYT is reporting that the Navy is considering reinstating Captain Crozier to his command of the Big Stick.
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
The 7-17 Washington Post has a 3/4 page article giving an overview of what has happened.. I can’t link it because all that you will get is an ad for needing a subscription..
Ship visited Da Nang .. port call was scheduled for months .. three star instructed Skipper to proceed with port call.. x35 sailors stayed in a hotel with two Brit tourists that have since tested positive (may be source)..
“The “ email with letter attached was sent to several flag officers and CC: several Captain.. flag officer onboard ship was not included..
If I find a public link, I’ll post it..
https://news.usni.org/2020/04/17/nav...dore-roosevelt
Last edited by Sandman; 04-18-2020 at 09:59 AM.
Navy review board recommends reinstatement of the Captain
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/u...82trV6S89THI6c
"The only thing that we learn from torture is the depths of our own moral depravity"
"The captain broke the chain of command" I've heard that over and over but he's being forgiven because he's apparently politically correct. I guess our armed forces are going to hell in a hand basket also?
Last edited by TriGuy; 04-24-2020 at 07:23 PM.
This is your mind on drugs!