....that trump would lie to the American people and probably 30% believed him about the covid virus----all recorded by Bob Woodward----I am shocked.
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....that trump would lie to the American people and probably 30% believed him about the covid virus----all recorded by Bob Woodward----I am shocked.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
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Oh but it happened our esteemed representative Schiff has said there's another whistleblower. Oh my oh my Woodward and even the moron FBI agent Peter strzok are all showing their selves up right now. Woodward's employed by the Jeff Bezos owned Washington Post. Of course none of these kinds of things were expected at all right before the election and guess what they won't be the last. Stay tuned I have it on good information that Trump actually had the coronavirus made and distributedOriginally Posted by Dave Grubb
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Don't be shocked, after all he was keeping us safe by not telling us about it. Hope the fool gets voted out.
Fred
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'Take care of yourself, and each other.'
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Makes perfect sense to me."I wanted to always play it down," Trump told Woodward on March 19, even as he had declared a national emergency over the virus days earlier. "I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
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Had President Trump been clairvoyant enough to have known that COVID-19 (a name not given the unknown disease at the time) was potentially the most pernicious virus since the Spanish Flu and more virulent than the other recent potential pandemic viruses that petered out, and thus warned “the sky is falling,” what good and useful would have come from it? Know that at that time the mask, wash & distance protocol had never been tried before and remained a theoretical proposal of a 14 year-old school girl from New Mexico in a school science project.
I submit even semi-knowledgeable observers knew the dangers of such diseases and were talking about it on this little website as early as 1/24/20, and none of us here ran for our masks (which the vaunted WHO promptly warned against), distanced and wash profusely.
The only thing to be gained had the President started the panic would have been panic.
http://www.crackerbarrelphilosophers...s-Pathogen-Lab
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I'm sorry gentlemen but I believe that is a failed logic. You can't form and execute an appropriate response when the guy who should be heading that response denies the true scope of the problem.
The claim of causing panic is equally wrong. People who are knowledgeable of a situation and confident that appropriate measures are being taken don't panic.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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I see the logic behind “playing down” the threat.. Parents have been protecting their kids that way forever.. I’m sure that he had good intentions..
The problem now is that we have learned more about the disease and how to control it yet we have a segment of society that have not adapted to the newer knowledge and continue to act as if the threat is overblown. That segment has become part of the disease threat.. (and this crosses political lines)
Just my opinion, I could be wrong..
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What if “the cure” is worse than the disease...which is going to roll to its natural end whatever you do save for a vaccine?
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You can’t say on one hand “Trump denied the true scope of the problem,” and on the other hand complain that he knew and lied about it. The two are mutually exclusive. Pick your blame please.
Btw, no one knew the “true scope of the problem” for months. They were only guessing in the time frame of Woodward’s interviews.
With this plague, blaming anyone other than the Chi-Com’s for not stopping it would be like the Aztecs blaming their priests for not eviscerating enough maidens and rolling their bodies down the steps to stop the drought.
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That is a lame argument sir. Based on the recorded interviews with Woodward he both knew about the danger and he lied about it. To draw a bit of analogy, it would be like Churchill telling the British people not to worry---they will run out of bombs shortly.
trump countered the science at every turn and caused confusion in the process. Ask yourself, had trump not dismissed the value of face masks how much different would have been the progression of this disease? The answer to that is painfully obvious.
trump didn't cause this but his profound mismanagement of the response clearly made it worse.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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At the point in time of that interview NOBODY knew the true scope of the problem. If I am wrong name me one, just one that did. The Dems have nothing to run on but blame Trump. If they truthfully put out there their true intentions the race would not even be close. Has anybody seen what Biden's tax plan is going to do. If you are willing to look at the true numbers and its effect on the middle class, please do it on an empty stomach.
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Point in time he was blaming everyone for the virus. Yet if he knew it was airborne and he should have said so. When masks showed up he still resisted and does to this day.
Some of his followers will drink bleach or shine a light to kill it or others will try something else he's touted.
Should have done the mentioning of it and did the wartime measures to step up production of needed goods. Instead people ripped off everything in the grocery shelves and locked themselves up not knowing what was going on.
As for the protect the kids BS argument people are making just admit he screwed up.
Fred
"Everyday I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've
stayed alive."
'Take care of yourself, and each other.'
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The answer is NOT PAINFULLY OBVIOUS. The virus rolls whatever people do. It can be slowed, but those who are going to get it will get it eventually unless vaccines or herd immunity intervene. (Let’s not talk about Hydroxychloroquine now unless you want to do so.) The usual suspects have told us for months Sweden’s very libertarian approach was a disaster. Guess what...their approach has not changed but the disease is on its last legs there with deaths almost zero. Herd immunity?
I hate to be the bearer of sad news, but without something intervening all of us here will eventually contract the disease under the hide & seek response currently in effect.
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You cannot look objectively at the NE and continue in your argument.
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^^^
Please explain your reasoning...
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